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Thursday, April 03, 2008

Vendetta 2: Rating Revenge in the West

Franchise All-Time Playoff Records

Rk

FranchisePlayoff RecordWin Pct.

1.

Edmonton

152 – 99 – 0

.606

2.

Anaheim

44 – 29 – 0

.603

3.

Montreal

393 – 266 – 8

.595

4.

NY Islanders

134 – 106 – 0

.558

5.

New Jersey / Colorado

117 – 96 – 0

.549


You have to be impressed with the Ducks' position here, especially considering the franchise lost 11 of its first 15 playoff games. Still, in amassing such a franchise record (the bulk of which has happened since 2003), a lot of toes get stepped on along the way.

Last year around this time, I put a post together called “V for Vendetta—Who’s the hungriest for roast Duck this spring?”, where I looked at four western conference playoff participants that had particularly vengeful incentive to eliminate the Ducks. Of those four, Minnesota and Detroit both got that sweet opportunity to eliminate Anaheim but failed, making them probably even more motivated this time around.

This year I’m just going to include all the possible WC opponents in this discussion, and try to rank their appetite to topple the postseason Ducks (aside from the usual incentive in dethroning the champs), with the main focus being on playoffs past. Some have stronger cases for revenge than others, but of all the choices, who has been hurt most by the Ducks in the past? Here's my ranking:

1. Minnesota Wild
Series losses to Anaheim: 2003 round 3 (4-0), 2007 Round 1 (4-1)

Poor, poor Wild. Twice in their franchise history they have made the playoffs; twice they have been eliminated by the Ducks. In 2003, they ran into J.S. Giguere at the crescendo of his Conn Smythe glory, who held the scrappy Wild to one goal over a four-game sweep. Unheard of. It took the Wild four years to recover and qualify again, only to go up against the hated Ducks a second time. This time, Giguere sat out (family issues), and backup Ilya Bryzgalov took over. The series was tight, but Anaheim won the first three games each by a single goal, and by then things were pretty much settled. Add in a suckerpunch by Brad May, and another Giguere win, and I think the Wild probably would enjoy a Duck execution more than anybody.

From the archives: Now I'm going to hell for sure, Remembering history so I'm not doomed to repeat it

2. Detroit Red Wings
Series Losses to Anaheim: 2003 Round 1 (4-0), 2007 Round 3 (4-2)

Of all the western teams in this year's playoffs, only Detroit has had the previous pleasure of eliminating Anaheim, though those series wins (both sweeps) came in the late 90s. The tables have turned, however, since Giguere singlehandedly swept the defending champions in the opening round of 2003, a harsh blow to a proud franchise. Last spring the Wings had a different sort of heartbreak; they led G5 in a tied series 1-0 leading into the final minute of regulation, and Scott Niedermayer's fluky goal and Teemu Selanne's fluky OT breakaway proved the difference. I think the Wild edge the Wings on this ranking because they have no other postseason successes to dwell upon, but the Wings are damn close. Anaheim likely cost them two Stanley Cups.

From the Archives: Off for the weekend, Obligatory gloat post, A history lesson

3. Calgary Flames
Series Losses to Anaheim: 2006 Round 1 (4-3)

Calgary was a story of a Flames opportunity lost, but also of a Ducks team coming together in front of a crazy Russian netminder. Calgary had built a 3-2 series lead largely on the suddenly human goaltending of J.S. Giguere, and midway through G5 Carlyle threw in Bryzgalov. Between that and rookie Frenchie Beauchemin pummeling posterchild Jarome Iginla, the Ducks got what they needed to squeak a G6 win before silencing the Red Mile in a dominant G7. I had trouble ranking 3-5 on this list, but I think that stunned silence puts Calgary on top of the only-eliminated-once group.

From the Archives: Avian flu indeed, Round-by-round Bryzgalove

4. Colorado Avalanche
Series Losses to the Ducks: 2006 Round 2 (4-0)

This series was a mini-Minny sweep; the Avs were dominated by the charging Ducks from the drop of the first puck, even playing without J.S. Giguere and rookie Corey Perry. Really, the momentum built up at the end of the Calgary series carried into G1 and G2 shutout victories, and Colorado was reeling after that. Their best effort came in G3, but Joffrey Lupul had his night of nights, scoring four goals including the OT winner. This marked the first time since the Avs had moved to Colorado that they had failed to take at least two games in a series.

From the Archives: Fun facts about sweeping the Avs

5. Dallas Stars
Series Losses to the Ducks: 2003 Round 2 (4-2)

I can't believe it's been five years since the last series that featured two Pacific Division teams, but it's likely this could be revisited in the first round this spring. Dallas was the top seed in the west that spring, and seemed quite determined to not suffer the same fate as Detroit. Their issue was that they were vulnerable to late-game heroics. In all six games of the series, the Stars were tied or had the lead with 2 minutes to go in regulation, yet still managed to lose four of them. All four Anaheim winning goals came on their last shot on net.

From the Archives: A look back at the '03 playoffs

6. Vancouver Canucks
Series Losses to the Ducks: 2007 Round 2 (4-1)

Vancouver might not have the heartbreaking story of contenders 1-5, but it's compelling nonetheless. The Canucks were riding their young goaltender in his first playoff year similar to how the Ducks had done in 2003, and found themselves down 2-1 in the series. They managed to score the first two goals in G4 in Vancouver, seemingly ready to even the series, but then managed to lose that lead. It was a crushing ending for the Canucks, as the series-winning OT goal occurred when Roberto Luongo got more interested in refereeing than netminding, and I'm sure Vancouver would like another chance to eliminate the Ducks and their Stompy Captain.

From the Archives: Welcome to SoCal, Roberto, Marine biologists discover a new disease

7. San Jose Sharks
No playoff history with Anaheim

It's amazing; Sharks fans might think they're gunning for us, but they're one of the few teams that can only base their hatred on regular season matchups. Well, I guess there's two things playoff-related that they can hate the Ducks for: (1) Pronger eliminated the Sharks in the 2nd round of '06, and (2) Two years in a row, SJ blew a 2nd round series lead and failed to get a matchup against Anaheim. This second one may be a source for Shark-anger; while other teams failed against the Ducks, San Jose blew it before even getting to that matchup.

8. Nashville Predators
No playoff history with Anaheim

I don't know why Nashville would hate the Ducks, unless they naturally associate the Ducks with their postseason nemesis, the Sharks, because of geography. If anything, Preds fans might enjoy the fact that the Ducks twice eliminated the Red Wings, but I'm just guessing.

Honorable mentions:
These teams won't be making an appearance in the western playoffs, but you bet they'd like to kill the Ducks as well.

Edmonton Oilers: The Oilers are the only team in the west to have a perfect series record against Anaheim, and yet their hatred is palpable, mostly having to do with off-ice confrontations (the Pronger trade and the Penner signing, and all the Burke-Lowe name-calling that ensued). The Oilers won't qualify this year, but they'll be solidly rooting for a Duck elimination this spring, and not just to protect their postseason winning percentage; they've also got a draft pick that depends on how Anaheim finishes.

Ottawa Senators: This seems pretty obvious to me. The Senators were thoroughly steamrolled in front of a multinational audience in last spring's cup finals, and would desperately like a do-over. It was a tough fall from glory for a team that had easily waltzed through the eastern playoffs, and even attending this year's regular season matchup, you could see the pent-up frustration.

Los Angeles Kings: When Anaheim lifted the cup, a part of every Kings fan's soul died. It has to be tough: 40 years of cup frustration, only to see the new BoC sibling make it look so darn easy, while the Kings sit around the NHL cellar. The Ducks and Kings have never qualified for the postseason in the same year, so it's tough to know where L.A. ranks on this list, but I think it's fair to say that they'd love a shot at eliminating Anaheim, probably more than teams that have faced the Ducks and lost. Irrelevance has its emotional cost as well.

So there you have it. It's a long list of teams with a lot of good recent-history reasons to want revenge on Anaheim, and my attempt to rank their previous playoff nightmares. What do you think? Is it worse to blow a series lead or to get swept? Who's had it the worst?

More likely than not, some team from the west is going to get the satisfaction of dethroning the Ducks; which opponent wants it the most? Let's hear your rankings in the comments.

13 comments:

spade-in-victorville said...

the wild are easily first becuase of 03 and last year..last year was worse becuase they they think of us as being dirty...the fact they went out and got 2 more goons in addition to having the boogerman...just shows u how much they dont want to get pushed around by us..i really think were the one team...if they eliminated us would "be there season" everything else would be gravy.....

as in detriot..i think they dont want to see us..i think our style of play somehow works well agianst them...they prefer not seeing us...thats a guess...but thats how it feels...

even though we havent played san jose yet in the playoffs i would rank them third...if you heard the comments after they clinched in our building...sounded like they got a big woody...they got some hatred (jealousy probally) and would be either 2nd or 3rd on the list of being happy to oust us...

just my thoughts

spade-in-victorhell said...

o and canucks should be higher..they talk major shit

also remember prongers shto to the ribs after kesler scored...

classic

Earl Sleek said...

they [the Sharks] got some hatred (jealousy probally) and would be either 2nd or 3rd on the list of being happy to oust us...

Yeah, the Sharks are way low on this list, but again, it's primarily concerned with playoff matchups of the past, which the Sharks never qualified for.

I guess the main point is to (a) show opposing fans that their Duck hatred isn't really unique; it's quite widespread, actually, and mainly to (b) warn Ducks fans: we're squarely Public Enemy #1, and it's going to be a battle to get through this vengeful west.

The Ducks' playoff history is probably one of "we got better than we deserved", and at some point, the downside will hit us pretty hard. I just wonder who's going to do it to us, and who on this list will get their desired revenge.

Earl Sleek said...

o and canucks should be higher..they talk major shit

I don't know if it's worth noting, but since the Canadian media whined their way into a Pronger suspension, the Canucks are 4-6, a worse record than they had in their previous 10 games. The Ducks are 5-2, a better record than they had in their previous 7 games.

I guess Karma hates a whiner.

spade-in-victorhell said...

it will be the wings i think somehow....i mentioned this long time ago..there the one team that converts 9 out of 10 ten times anytime u give them anything easy...(break aways, PP's, turnovers, defensmen falling, do not miss open nets) were every other team is maybe 4 out of 10..u can hold them to 15 shots but theyll get 4 goals out of it..

the sharks maybe...but with pronger on thorton...i think we could squeeze out victory...

well c...be instresting

thedaysofstillness said...

I think you hit the nail on the head with this one Earl, I'm not too familiar with the Ducks postseason on a year to year basis but your rationale makes sense. Only one I would consider flipping would be 4 and 5, the Dallas choke jobs have got to still hurt (but I guess they kind of always do that).

Everyone's gunning for you guys! As much as it hurts to say (being a Sharks fan) that's respect right there, and rightfully earned. I would list the Sharks higher just based on the fact that we're in the same state, division rivalry, the Cup currently resides in Anaheim etc., but I think that's more of a Sharks list of who we are gunning for, more than an Anaheim list.

Let's keep the Cup in California!

(but about 370 miles up the coast).


This is going to be a great playoff run.

RudyKelly said...

Everyone's gunning for you guys! As much as it hurts to say (being a Sharks fan) that's respect right there, and rightfully earned.

Or, the Ducks are douche bags and nobody likes them. You know, either one.

Mr. Plank said...

Whoa randomly I posted on my other account. Yeah, the one for my high school band. I think you can find us on myspace, but whatevs.

Or, the Ducks are douche bags and nobody likes them. You know, either one.

So well played. But they've got the Cup. I think that (so unfortunately) speaks for itself.

Earl Sleek said...

I would list the Sharks higher just based on the fact that we're in the same state, division rivalry, the Cup currently resides in Anaheim etc., but I think that's more of a Sharks list of who we are gunning for, more than an Anaheim list.

Yeah, really I think the Sharks and Ducks should be the primary target for each other, and I think this should have happened in each of the past two years, also.

Problem is, it's a long-awaited matchup that never seems to happen, while the Ducks keep crushing other non-Shark foes.

I think an SJS-ANA matchup would be a playoff series for the ages; here's hoping we get to see one this year.

Morbo said...

Pretty good analysis. Good memories. I think I would switch up the middle so it's:
Stars
Exploding diarrhea boy
Avs

That 03 series vs the Stars still is very vivid in my mind. Just seeing the utter disbelief on Modano's face when Giguere made that incredible dive back across the crease stick save was gold.

I would actually love to see Ducks play the Flames in round 1. If nothing else, to respark Beauchemin and wake him up out of his turnover madness, and revert back to his open ice hitting, over hand left days of old.

Earl Sleek said...

You're probably right on that order, Morbo, though I did take into account that the Stars' fiasco was five years ago, whereas the Flames and Avs were more recent.

That probably skewed my list somewhat, as most players from 2003 aren't really with the Ducks any more (except the glaring image of Giguere, which is pretty significant).

Earl Sleek said...

Well, I've looked through the scenarios. A Dallas-Anaheim opening round series is nearly unavoidable now, unless something like this happens:

PHX @ DAL: Phoenix wins 10-0
SJS @ DAL: San Jose wins 7-0
MIN @ COL: Colorado wins 8-0

So yeah, it's in the bag. The question that remains is whether the series will start in Anaheim, which seems likely. Dallas and Anaheim each have two games remaining, and the magic number is 2 points.

That is, if the Ducks get 2 points, or if the Stars lose 2 possible points, or some combination of that, then the Ducks start at home.

I'll put a series preview up soon, as it's likely this will get fully decided possibly as early as tonight (if Phoenix beats Dallas in regulation, then it's all set).

Kirsten said...

I know that I'M gunning for the Ducks. A dislike of Pronger and being really upset both times the Wild made early playoff exits means I, and probably the rest of Minnesota will all be using our hockey karma to wish an early exit on the Ducks. I don't know that most people want to see anyone hurt, though, just out because of losses.

On that note, I do hope you guys beat the shit out of Dallas, but at the same time I want the Wild to beat the shit out of Dallas. It's such a tough decision.